With Prof Julia Steinberger of the University of Leeds and the IPCC.
Julia is Professor of Ecological Economics at the University of Leeds and a member of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate change.
- So the idea was that if we use the term ‘sustainable development’ and talk about ‘green growth’, ‘decoupling’ etc. then we won’t have a fight. We’re not in a strong position as environmentalists. Let’s not go out and seek that fight. We might not win. Let’s just be nice to everyone. I think that framing, in hindsight, was kinda disastrous.
- If we want to take biodiversity loss seriously, we have to accept that it’s driven by economic growth.
- So we’re learning to tell the story of how growth is economically, socially and environmentally disastrous, but we’re not telling it fast enough.